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Woody's 1980 Guild F-512 12-string guitar page

Visible with an automotive-style mechanic's mirror through the sound hole, 
the date of construction stamped inside this 
Guild F-512 12-string guitar

It was apparently the 53rd of 137 F512 Guild's built in 1980.
In the picture below an automotive mirror allows us 
to see the date stamp inside the sound hole: 
October 22, 1980.
The factory stamp inside the guitar indicates it was finished Oct 22, 1980.
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Back in the days before the Internet and,
while shopping for a 12 string guitar, 
I called professionals at major outlets around the USA for opinions. 
Intending to purchase something like a Martin D12-28 I was consistently advised however:
"If you want a six-string acoustic, buy a Martin. 
If you want a 12-string acoustic, buy a Guild.
The double truss rods in the Guild neck make it a superior instrument."

Every one of the authorized Martin dealers that I had consulted with 
recommended the Guild 12 over the Martin 12.
I do own a Martin D-45k koa as my six string acoustic guitar.

As to my Guild F-512 12-string purchase, I have never been disappointed. 
The sound, volume, and clarity of this 17-inch Jumbo are unsurpassed.
SPECIFICATIONS: 
17 inches (43.1 cm) wide
20 3/4 inches (52.7 cm) long
5" (12.7 cm) deep
Overall length  44 inches (111.7 cm) long
Neck width at nut  1 13/16"  (4.6 cm)

This guitar was built by Guild in their old Westerly, RI facility by luthiers (craftsmen) 
before its 1995 purchase by Fender. 
In 2014 Fender sold the Guild guitar line to the Córdoba Music Group in California.

Additional information about Guild Guitars is available at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Guitar_Company

Be wary as Guild's had built knock off copies in Asia.
Apparently Asian built versions of the Guild guitars 
would add a 1 to the model number
and be seen as a Guild F-1512. 
If you're shopping... make sure you get the real thing, a hand made USA-born F-512.

The F-512 12-string guitar carries 
Guild's top-of-the-line "G" peghead design and gold-plated tuners

It is interesting to note that the investment prices for these older vintage Guilds are escalating these days.
Due to the quality of tonewoods and construction techniques from the older F512 guitars, 
their collector values continue to climb.
 
Over the 30 year period that I have owned this Guild guitar, 
I have absolutely no regrets for adding this instrument to my personal lineup.

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"Pre-Ban" ELEPHANT IVORY NUT AND MATCHING
WEST AFRICAN HARD IVORY BRIDGE ADDED

During 2011  the original plastic nut, bridge on the F512 were upgraded.
Shopping the Internet, Woody settled on choices available from Bob Colosi
A "Pre-Ban" Elephant Ivory saddle (us$25) and matching West African Hard Ivory nut (us$35)  
were fitted by a Denver-area master luthier.

The labor to cut and install was about us$100 each
I did not add bridge pins to the Guild and have no regrets in that decision.
The expense of a neck adjustment and new strings were also required to complete the effort

Although it probably will not be popular in certain circles to say this,
For the us$333 invested in this project I do not believe the tonal and visual improvements were sufficient to justify the cost.
I would neither recommend nor do it again.

FISHMAN ELLIPSE AURA On-Board Preamp ADDED
During 2012  my originally installed internal passive pickup was upgraded.
As in my Martin D-45k a Fishman Ellipse Aura under-saddle pickup was installed.
This allows better on-stage control of the tonal qualities without drilling gaping holes in the sides of the guitar.

Think about it ...  technology marches on.
I believe that those instruments with holes cut into the wood will have reduced collectable value over time as the volume controls get noisy and the components age and fail.

Really... would you buy a 50-year-old acoustic guitar with tubes (valves) in it? 
So who 50-years from now will want to pay real money for your guitar 
containing early 21st-century electronics and 
massive and unmaskable holes cut prominently into the side?

The Fishman mounts inconspicuously in the sound hole. 
If you don't want it or you want to replace it... take it out.
No holes, no permanent defacing of the instrument.
The 9-volt battery mounts in a small case Velcroed inside the instrument.
Using the USB connection, you can upload up to four additional tonal voices to enhance your live sound through a sound board.

The 9-volt battery mounts in a canvas case that is velcroed inside the guitar The Fishman Ellipse Aura mounts inside the soundhole out of side but easily accessable. You plug the unit into your PC and install up to four different voices that can be blended in for enhanced sound through a board

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 From a review at  http://www.thisnext.com/item/B2CEE2B9/9A41A99D/Guild-F512-12-string-acoustic
Guild 12-strings are built to a different standard. 
The Guild 12 is a piano in your lap. 
Yeah, it's heavy but that's not all. It packs stunning acoustic power.
The Guild 12's sound only improves, never degrades. 
Dig deep and play.

From a now defunct link at  http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document?doc_id=89711 
12-string splendor
In the late '60s, when the folk and rock markets demanded the rich, bright sound palette of a 12-string guitar, Guild's luthiers accepted the challenge and designed a sweet-sounding 12-string jumbo that offered more volume and much clearer definition than other flattop 12-strings. 
It caught on quickly and remained one of the world's most-sought-after 12-strings. 
A double truss rod system insures neck stability and prevents warpage. 
Painstakingly true to the originals, the F412 and F512 guitars feature AAA Sitka spruce tops and gold Grover Rotomatic tuners. 

 
Above: Pages from the 1983 Guild sales literature and price guide

F512 
Solid spruce top
Indian rosewood sides and back
Exotic African Padouk and maple neck woods
Bound ebony fingerboard with
Inlaid mother-of-pearl inlays
Bound peghead
Gold plated Grover Rotomatic tuners
Ebony bridge
Seven-ply ivoroid binding
Delicate wood mosaic back and side inlays

SPECIFICATIONS: 
17 inches (43.1 cm) wide
20 3/4 inches (52.7 cm) long
5" (12.7 cm) deep

Overall length  44 inches (111.7 cm) long
Neck width at nut  1 13/16"  (4.6 cm)

FINISH "CHECKING"
BRINGING A GUITAR INTO YOUR HOME WHEN IT IS REALLY COLD

When bringing a guitar in from the cold into a warm environment 
you will really want to leave the case closed for many hours to let the wood and finish warm up slowly.
The guitar finish is hard and the wood underneath is soft.
This allows the wood and surface to change slowly, reducing the changes for these cracks to form.
In my case, the guitar had been left in the trunk of the car for hours after use earlier in the day.
I brought it in and immediately opened the case. 
Oops. Instant permanent cracks.
Due to the common appearance of this type of finish crack occurring over time, however,
they normally do not degrade value of the instrument as they do not challenge structural integrity or sound.
Surfaces with these cracks are known to have surface "Checks" (the cracks are called check).
Most all guitars will develop these "checks" over decades.
Some people swear that the "checks" actually allow the wood to vibrate with less restrictions 
thus actually improving the sound of the guitar.
It is highly recommended that you never refinish any guitar that has "checks" 
as a refinish will actually destroy the value of the guitar to a collector in the years ahead.


ADDITIONAL LINKS:

Wikipedia on Guild Guitars

Epinion reviews


FL100278  10/22/80  12/31/83  Rckly 1200


Email to Woody and we perhaps can post it here.

STRING NOTES: 
07/01/2012 Ernie Ball 9-46 80/20 Bronze Alloy Earthwood Silk and Steel 12-String Soft Set 2051
Initial impression: Bright clean sound, Easy on the fingers, 
Not a lot of volume even if played hard (good thing for sound boards)

 

PENDING STRING INSTALLS:
GHS 9-42 Bright Bronze XL9-42 BB60X
Initial impression:  I use GHS exclusively on my Fender basses. 
Am interested in trying these here but wanted to test the silk and steel first

D'Addario 9-45 Phosphor Bronze EJ41 XL9-45
Will try these after the Silk and Steel and GHS mentioned above

 

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